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		<title>By: Spank That Donkey</title>
		<link>http://shaunkenney.com/2008/04/roanoke-red-zone-phone-booth-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3369</link>
		<dc:creator>Spank That Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former Senator Bell:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me help you with this statement - &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;they didn&#039;t know they just were. Both sides hated each other but the fued had been going on so long neither side knew what had started it. Both sides just wanted to win and be right.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The voters of your district knew full well who fired the first shot.  You did by voting for higher taxes!  The Revolution to bring Conservatism back to our party was successful in your district.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It will take us a little longer to get a three term Senator heavily entrenched out of ours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and for the umpteenth time, the first shot fired in our mass meeting was to change the temporary chair, for one that would change the rules for the meeting to a popular vote away from the electoral college system of voting per district in our bylaws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real story is that Hanger doesn&#039;t have the support of the county beyond his district.  That of course is a side to the argument that you will refuse to want to hear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank God for blogs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former Senator Bell:</p>
<p>Let me help you with this statement &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;they didn&#8217;t know they just were. Both sides hated each other but the fued had been going on so long neither side knew what had started it. Both sides just wanted to win and be right.&#8221;</p>
<p>The voters of your district knew full well who fired the first shot.  You did by voting for higher taxes!  The Revolution to bring Conservatism back to our party was successful in your district.</p>
<p>It will take us a little longer to get a three term Senator heavily entrenched out of ours.</p>
<p>and for the umpteenth time, the first shot fired in our mass meeting was to change the temporary chair, for one that would change the rules for the meeting to a popular vote away from the electoral college system of voting per district in our bylaws.</p>
<p>The real story is that Hanger doesn&#8217;t have the support of the county beyond his district.  That of course is a side to the argument that you will refuse to want to hear.</p>
<p>Thank God for blogs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMaxfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMaxfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a Hatfield and McCoy parallel but a King George III and Patrick Henry parallel. The British Aristocracy versus the Colonial Americans. You may think this to be extreme but the more and more this meeting and the real motives behind it come to light, the more obvious those two comparisons become. Even Larry Roller in his candidate speech stated, &quot;...the principles are a good perspective of the Party and are particularly helpful in choosing the strongest candidate for a &lt;b&gt;vacated&lt;/b&gt; position. However, usually &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;as long as an incumbent continues to run, there is no Primary for that position.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now does that sound like the people of Augusta County are &quot;a fueding&quot; just to do it and know no better? I think not. They know exactly what they are fighting for--and they&#039;re not doing it for their own self-preservation. If they were thinking of their own immediate self-interest, they would have left long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a Hatfield and McCoy parallel but a King George III and Patrick Henry parallel. The British Aristocracy versus the Colonial Americans. You may think this to be extreme but the more and more this meeting and the real motives behind it come to light, the more obvious those two comparisons become. Even Larry Roller in his candidate speech stated, &#8220;&#8230;the principles are a good perspective of the Party and are particularly helpful in choosing the strongest candidate for a <b>vacated</b> position. However, usually <b><i>as long as an incumbent continues to run, there is no Primary for that position.</i></b>&#8220;</p>
<p>Now does that sound like the people of Augusta County are &#8220;a fueding&#8221; just to do it and know no better? I think not. They know exactly what they are fighting for&#8211;and they&#8217;re not doing it for their own self-preservation. If they were thinking of their own immediate self-interest, they would have left long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You post was very well stated.  I am sorry that the bunch in Augusta are so emotional about this.  I certainly appreciate everything that Dr. Michael and others have  done.  Political action is driven by who turns out the most people to support your position then working together thereafter.  Sen. Hanger&#039;s opposition simply didn&#039;t get enough people to care enough to attend a mass meeting.  The war in Augusta continues.  I really don&#039;t care who started it.  Someone, and the best are the elected party leaders, needs to step forward and put all this to rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you post some &quot;state of being&quot; is going to be required for us to learn to work together.  What is apparant to me is that it will likely take being 100% in the minority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All this reminds me of the the story of the Hatfields and McCoys.  When one was asked why they were &quot;a fueding&quot; they didn&#039;t know they just were.  Both sides hated each other but the fued had been going on so long neither side knew what had started it.  Both sides just wanted to win and be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>You post was very well stated.  I am sorry that the bunch in Augusta are so emotional about this.  I certainly appreciate everything that Dr. Michael and others have  done.  Political action is driven by who turns out the most people to support your position then working together thereafter.  Sen. Hanger&#8217;s opposition simply didn&#8217;t get enough people to care enough to attend a mass meeting.  The war in Augusta continues.  I really don&#8217;t care who started it.  Someone, and the best are the elected party leaders, needs to step forward and put all this to rest.</p>
<p>As you post some &#8220;state of being&#8221; is going to be required for us to learn to work together.  What is apparant to me is that it will likely take being 100% in the minority.</p>
<p>All this reminds me of the the story of the Hatfields and McCoys.  When one was asked why they were &#8220;a fueding&#8221; they didn&#8217;t know they just were.  Both sides hated each other but the fued had been going on so long neither side knew what had started it.  Both sides just wanted to win and be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Spank That Donkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spank That Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun What are you talking about?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brandon Bell says Dr. Michael is a Professonial, when he is a volunteer, and the Professional elected officials, are some how volunteers who make mistakes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bell further says Dr. Michael doesn&#039;t care about idealogy, just power, when he just stood up to a three term Senator over get this...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ideas, the same party principles (ideas) you were just babbling about, limited govt, and less spending.  Emmett Hanger loves every tax increase plan that can be dreamed up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing Bell is saying is factual or fair.  What seems to be eating him is that Dr. Michael as a party chair, endorsed a challenger to an incumbent, just as Jim Crosby, a lowly Chair, endorsed a challenger against him the incumbent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For someone who has taken on an incumbent, I would think you would hardly be trying to make this guy look anything different than what he is trying to accomplish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Seriously this guy wants to say GOP Party Chairman are destroying the Party?  How about a group of GOP Senators that make a Rock Star out of an ineffectual Gov. like Mark Warner, by conspiring with him to raise taxes, when in reality we were in a surplus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s all well and good to be nice and cordial, but when someone is flat out exhibiting a projection score of 10 on a power scale of 1 to 10, it&#039;s time to call them on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brandon Bell knows who is really destroying the Party&#039;s message, he is just trying to blame it on the people who are calling him on it, rather than looking in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun What are you talking about?</p>
<p>Brandon Bell says Dr. Michael is a Professonial, when he is a volunteer, and the Professional elected officials, are some how volunteers who make mistakes?</p>
<p>Bell further says Dr. Michael doesn&#8217;t care about idealogy, just power, when he just stood up to a three term Senator over get this&#8230;</p>
<p>Ideas, the same party principles (ideas) you were just babbling about, limited govt, and less spending.  Emmett Hanger loves every tax increase plan that can be dreamed up.</p>
<p>Nothing Bell is saying is factual or fair.  What seems to be eating him is that Dr. Michael as a party chair, endorsed a challenger to an incumbent, just as Jim Crosby, a lowly Chair, endorsed a challenger against him the incumbent.</p>
<p>For someone who has taken on an incumbent, I would think you would hardly be trying to make this guy look anything different than what he is trying to accomplish.</p>
<p>Seriously this guy wants to say GOP Party Chairman are destroying the Party?  How about a group of GOP Senators that make a Rock Star out of an ineffectual Gov. like Mark Warner, by conspiring with him to raise taxes, when in reality we were in a surplus.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all well and good to be nice and cordial, but when someone is flat out exhibiting a projection score of 10 on a power scale of 1 to 10, it&#8217;s time to call them on it.</p>
<p>Brandon Bell knows who is really destroying the Party&#8217;s message, he is just trying to blame it on the people who are calling him on it, rather than looking in the mirror.</p>
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